that would be a gift to put additional funds to work, we just entered best period to own stocks, oct to april. not expecting new ath's till early '16 anyway
Minimum balance on checking to avoid fees, inflation, fees for various transactions...all these add up to NIRP already. They are charging you to let them use your money and your labor. As long as the Fed owns the money, they own your labor...
None of your accounts are demand deposits, but rather "the new accounts" FDR set up in '33. They own you and you have to pay THEM to use your own body.
NIRP INDEED! more like SLURP: Slaves Living Under Repressive Putzes!
not ruling out by year end given how well earnings coming in and mkt pricing in a rate hike that in likelihood going to happen. and if fed went crazy and did nirp, look out above. plus we have the year ending in "5" and 3rd yr presidential term dynamics in mkt favor. but we shall see
"the bear case is really busted on the S&P and Nasdaq " Well, you've had many charts for the past few months that suggested that the bull case was busted. How well did those turn out? If every instinct you have have is wrong, perhaps the opposite is right. I suggest you keep your eyes peeled, this is the setup we've waited for.
Blogger Bicycle said... Today is pretty catastrophic for the bear case. S&P and Nasdaq have already blown through trend resistance from the summer top and the RUT and DJIA will probably follow.
Selected earnings with ECB Jawbone = rising tide. Even the loss of 19% revenue for CAT and it recovers from pre-open losses with almost 3% gain. Microsoft the same BS with significant revenue loss but its up after hours. To call this action stupid is generous.
Perfect place for NASDAQ to Quack - http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24COMPQ&p=D&st=2015-01-01&en=(today)&id=p39316050977&a=414448489
"tell me how rates substantially lower than inflation are NOT NIRP?" You have numerous investment options available to you in this environment. I have a portion of my savings in the TIP ETF, which is just one example.
Blogger Bill Bober said... "tell me how rates substantially lower than inflation are NOT NIRP?" You have numerous investment options available to you in this environment. I have a portion of my savings in the TIP ETF, which is just one example.
Snide Bill: NIRP concerns BANKS. Not market alternatives that NIRP is designed to drive you into. Jesus. Left brain identities.
Credit Unions AND especially banks are already involved in Negative Interest Rate Policies. Not hard to grasp this reality but...whatever.
As for Inflation Protected Bonds they are down 4-5% YTD and down about 8.5% since July 2014. That's a real Negative Interest Rate! Good Choice! lol
"As for Inflation Protected Bonds they are down 4-5% YTD and down about 8.5% since July 2014. That's a real Negative Interest Rate! Good Choice!" I also own stocks through Vanguards dividend paying ETF VYM. I'm not excusing the Feds policies, I hate them. This is why I try to learn as much as I can, and cover as many bases as possible.
Bill, I dont need the Moore Predictor to know that TIPS slipped hard in 2015...lol
Please stop trying to be an oracle. NIRP is an ACTIVE reality for Banks and yes Credit Unions too. The point is that THEY, through the FED, OWN THE MONEY SUPPLY which means they own you regardless of what "Wealth Effect" they are manipulating you with. In the late 1970's the gimmick was 401k's for instance. We will let you keep more of you money IF you put it in the markets. Same anti-savings market squeeze as now, just a different gimmick. Rates then were obviously high so the "trade off" was higher take home pay and tax free growth...
Owning the settlement currency inserts you and allows you to own the transactions. Why do you think China up until now has only done one thing with the USD we give them? (Buy our debt by the way)
You are owned by the FED Bill. Their is no escape! NIRP IS YOUR LIFE! BTFD!
I had some interesting work forwarded to me from Pretzel's site, that proposes we continue to rally, but fail to make new highs, eventually rolling over in mid-November.
The counts are pretty tricky and certainly not standard Elliott waves; they're very complex ABCs.
"Please stop trying to be an oracle" I'm not trying to "be" anything. Our options aren't great here admittedly, but we can throw up our hands and admit defeat, or try to do the best we can. When you say, "I dont need the Moore Predictor to know that TIPS slipped hard in 2015," I doubt your sincerity. During that period, your cash bought you more of many things, gasoline in particular than it did the previous year. In the past 6 months I've bought a lot of things at half the price they were in 2014, and no not just Made in China junk.
Well either my stockcharts data is dead wrong or I am sincere! WTF Bill? Every inflation protected bond instrument started toppin at the end of 1012. I"M NOT FING BLIND MAN! LOL
and as for buying more things with a dollar THATS CALLED DEFLATION! TIPS are inflation hedges wacko...
I doubt you have a savings account let alone any ETF's of any kind.
Go buy some more stuff with you TIP's proceeds. !!!!!
rather than fight it, why not embrace this bull market? much easier making $$ in bulls being long than short. yes, there will be 10% crashes along the way but trying to time those is not easy. this bull is not even in year 7 yet. invest long term, buy dips and you come out ahead 100% of the time. works 100% of the time. it's that simple, really. in 5-10 years the markets will be substantially higher. (the stock market always comes back no matter how much it crashes). based on q3 earnings so far and the strong guidance, it's becoming more likely new ath's will get hit in 2015. either way however they are coming. and yes, i still believe we'll see dow jones 30,000 within 4-5 years.
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Pretty much the worst-case scenario in this chart, that we begin a downturn into the October FOMC, and they actually hike rates.
Mass bank runs? Who has savings?
The big money will see capital appreciation in 10Y etc Notes and the Long Bond.
It will work until it breaks again.
that would be a gift to put additional funds to work, we just entered best period to own stocks, oct to april. not expecting new ath's till early '16 anyway
New ATH in early 16? LOL!
H&S local top off the 2020 SPX neckline?
Targets 2000, then beyond.
CG - Yes. And love how the S&P 500 Index gap was respected as resistance
Keep your eye on oil, it's about to get very interesting.
Minimum balance on checking to avoid fees, inflation, fees for various transactions...all these add up to NIRP already. They are charging you to let them use your money and your labor. As long as the Fed owns the money, they own your labor...
None of your accounts are demand deposits, but rather "the new accounts" FDR set up in '33. They own you and you have to pay THEM to use your own body.
NIRP INDEED! more like SLURP: Slaves Living Under Repressive Putzes!
Yes and the great news tonight is Paul Ryan is the new Speaker of the House.
Yes - we are doomed.
"Minimum balance on checking to avoid fees, inflation, fees for various transactions." Ever hear of a Credit Union?
Does anyone else think the JPY is in a bull flag just waiting to take off north?
"New ATH in early 16? LOL!"
not ruling out by year end given how well earnings coming in and mkt pricing in a rate hike that in likelihood going to happen. and if fed went crazy and did nirp, look out above. plus we have the year ending in "5" and 3rd yr presidential term dynamics in mkt favor. but we shall see
S&P 2040 here we are, now what?
"rate hike that in likelihood going to happen"
corrections---NOT going to happen. don't see one until '17 a
There is the 200 DMA. There's the possibility of a bearish wedge nearing completion here on the SPX.
Or there are new highs. We wipe August from the board like it was nothing.
Market was just waiting for Bicycle to capitulate.
"the bear case is really busted on the S&P and Nasdaq " Well, you've had many charts for the past few months that suggested that the bull case was busted. How well did those turn out? If every instinct you have have is wrong, perhaps the opposite is right. I suggest you keep your eyes peeled, this is the setup we've waited for.
Blogger Bill Bober said...
"Minimum balance on checking to avoid fees, inflation, fees for various transactions." Ever hear of a Credit Union?
yes, most will waive fees and I do have accounts at one still, BUT tell me how rates substantially lower than inflation are NOT NIRP?
Bill, you seem to post a lot of snide wit as wisdom.
Tell us, what "setup" is on that table in your mind and who is the "we" that have waited for it?
Is it a BTFD setup? I'll keep my eyes peeled!
Blogger Bicycle said...
Today is pretty catastrophic for the bear case. S&P and Nasdaq have already blown through trend resistance from the summer top and the RUT and DJIA will probably follow.
Selected earnings with ECB Jawbone = rising tide. Even the loss of 19% revenue for CAT and it recovers from pre-open losses with almost 3% gain. Microsoft the same BS with significant revenue loss but its up after hours. To call this action stupid is
generous.
Perfect place for NASDAQ to Quack - http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=%24COMPQ&p=D&st=2015-01-01&en=(today)&id=p39316050977&a=414448489
"tell me how rates substantially lower than inflation are NOT NIRP?" You have numerous investment options available to you in this environment. I have a portion of my savings in the TIP ETF, which is just one example.
http://fintrend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Moore_Inflation_Predictor_Oct_15.jpg
Blogger Bill Bober said...
"tell me how rates substantially lower than inflation are NOT NIRP?" You have numerous investment options available to you in this environment. I have a portion of my savings in the TIP ETF, which is just one example.
Snide Bill: NIRP concerns BANKS. Not market alternatives that NIRP is designed to drive you into. Jesus. Left brain identities.
Credit Unions AND especially banks are already involved in Negative Interest Rate Policies. Not hard to grasp this reality but...whatever.
As for Inflation Protected Bonds they are down 4-5% YTD and down about 8.5% since July 2014. That's a real Negative Interest Rate! Good Choice! lol
"As for Inflation Protected Bonds they are down 4-5% YTD and down about 8.5% since July 2014. That's a real Negative Interest Rate! Good Choice!" I also own stocks through Vanguards dividend paying ETF VYM. I'm not excusing the Feds policies, I hate them. This is why I try to learn as much as I can, and cover as many bases as possible.
BTW the link to the Moore Inflation Predictor should give you a pretty good idea, about what has happened to stocks/inflation hedges in 2014.
Opps, meant 2015!
Bill, I dont need the Moore Predictor to know that TIPS slipped hard in 2015...lol
Please stop trying to be an oracle. NIRP is an ACTIVE reality for Banks and yes Credit Unions too. The point is that THEY, through the FED, OWN THE MONEY SUPPLY which means they own you regardless of what "Wealth Effect" they are manipulating you with. In the late 1970's the gimmick was 401k's for instance. We will let you keep more of you money IF you put it in the markets. Same anti-savings market squeeze as now, just a different gimmick. Rates then were obviously high so the "trade off" was higher take home pay and tax free growth...
Owning the settlement currency inserts you and allows you to own the transactions. Why do you think China up until now has only done one thing with the USD we give them? (Buy our debt by the way)
You are owned by the FED Bill. Their is no escape! NIRP IS YOUR LIFE! BTFD!
I had some interesting work forwarded to me from Pretzel's site, that proposes we continue to rally, but fail to make new highs, eventually rolling over in mid-November.
The counts are pretty tricky and certainly not standard Elliott waves; they're very complex ABCs.
"Please stop trying to be an oracle" I'm not trying to "be" anything. Our options aren't great here admittedly, but we can throw up our hands and admit defeat, or try to do the best we can. When you say, "I dont need the Moore Predictor to know that TIPS slipped hard in 2015," I doubt your sincerity. During that period, your cash bought you more of many things, gasoline in particular than it did the previous year. In the past 6 months I've bought a lot of things at half the price they were in 2014, and no not just Made in China junk.
SPY has blown through its 200DMA in the AH.
I'll be very interested in what McHugh has to say in his update tonight.
Possibly the worst thing that happened to this nascent "bear market" was the limit-down day on August 24.
Blogger Bill Bober said...I doubt your sincerity.
Well either my stockcharts data is dead wrong or I am sincere! WTF Bill? Every inflation protected bond instrument started toppin at the end of 1012. I"M NOT FING BLIND MAN! LOL
and as for buying more things with a dollar THATS CALLED DEFLATION! TIPS are inflation hedges wacko...
I doubt you have a savings account let alone any ETF's of any kind.
Go buy some more stuff with you TIP's proceeds. !!!!!
"I doubt you have a savings account let alone any ETF's of any kind." Yes, I'm sure your net worth dwarfs mine. Congratulations.
rather than fight it, why not embrace this bull market? much easier making $$ in bulls being long than short. yes, there will be 10% crashes along the way but trying to time those is not easy. this bull is not even in year 7 yet. invest long term, buy dips and you come out ahead 100% of the time. works 100% of the time. it's that simple, really. in 5-10 years the markets will be substantially higher. (the stock market always comes back no matter how much it crashes). based on q3 earnings so far and the strong guidance, it's becoming more likely new ath's will get hit in 2015. either way however they are coming. and yes, i still believe we'll see dow jones 30,000 within 4-5 years.
Of course, the eerie similarity to the 2011 tape cannot be ignored. Six more months of bear winter?
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